Although the price of the H3 is another 200 euros more expensive in the store where I am thinking of buying it is at the same price as Flux and Core. Depending on the variables as noted above – but for $100 I could see going with the 2T just for the sake of newness. Need to wait for final reviews I feel. Like you said, not related to the common issues of last year/earlier this year. As for the Elite Tuo, unfortunately I still don’t have a unit. Why didn’t you recommend XYZ trainer or software instead? I could also make a tutorial about speed unboxing and build up of Kickr Core. Contacted wahoo about what would happen if I had a faulty unit and they haven’t been very direct in answering. I know the Elite comes with an 11, would you suggest switching out the cassette, or going with the Kicker Core? Anyway, just thought you might want to mention this in your Saris H3 review. So ultimately, I’d say you can kinda figure out what you value here in terms of price to features. Because frankly, all of them are still really solid. Seeing all the reported hardware failures is very disheartening, and realize none of these are going to be perfect unfortunately. Yeah, we drive a bit…and i have access to farms a couple hours north…but they’re 2.5 hours away so it’s not like I can run up there daily. My question: Will my experience already be drastically improved with the Suito or should I definitely just go big and get a Kickr? Use Backcountry.com or Competitive Cyclist with either the coupon code DCRAINMAKER for first time users saving 15% on applicable products. Hi Ray, Didn’t give it a try at higher speed, packed immediately and reported back to Wahoo. You did mention the Bushido not for 629 but how about if its a price match…. Next trainer I only buy if the old one breaks down and then i will give Elite a chance. – IT: Unknown (link to amazon.it) Thank you for any and all guidance you can provide. The end-caps that adjust the spacing on the rear are super-easy to take off and swap to adjust rear spacing. I currently connect my vectors, HRM, and speed sensor to my laptop via an ANT+ dongle. No. IT would be interesting too see what their process is. Contacting the support again I got two o-rings which I should but on the axis behind the fly wheel. Therefore the following 2 questions: Which device would you choose if you were given € 1,000? It’s there. The unit replicates up to 8% grades and 800w, so pretty similar to the Tacx Flow, but with an oddly unstated (or findable) accuracy specification. In the case of Tacx, they’ve quietly refreshed the Flux 2 this year to rid it of issues from last year around ERG mode (it was horribly inaccurate). Heads up! As others have said, this is the post I watch out for every year! I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for the 2020-2021 indoor training season. I mean… I have recently placed probably my fourth order of NeoBike (not that I ever got any delivered, but orders were cancelled – and now it seems not to be as promising once again). It’s really helpful. Really keen to get it, just want to make sure….. I got a recertified Kickr when it was on sale for $629 last week. For me this means tolerance issues in the Millimeter ballpark. The few times I have let the trainer control the resistance the P1 vs Snap are usually within 2-3 watts on AVG out of 160-180 watts and a 45-60 minute ride. As Suito has a pretty change of having a failure according to comments, videos, etc. 2) Elite Tuo gets added They also cover the cassette install so there’s $17 saved as well. Mid-Range $500-$700: These tend to be units that have everything of the price bucket below it, but usually with just a bit more accuracy and a bit more power. Which one should I go? I still get excited to see this post go up every year, even tough I have a pretty good idea how things shake out. Tomas, along with what Egor said, you can use head units not only to display power, but also to control the power on trainers and do full workouts or re-ride a route which you previously road outdoors. I’m still learning about the maintenance/configuration of bikes, though, so perhaps I’m wrong. Thank you for that! I wouldn’t buy the Bkool Air, it’s a bit of a mess, primarily from a software standpoint. I would have included the DRIVO II since it works GREAT with the included Elite MyETraining. My understanding is at this point if you’re in the US you can simply call Garmin support and they have dedicated trainer folks there handling it now. I’ve been using a SNAP for the last few years, that has performed faultlessly. But I guess it’ll be a few months before that situation is clear…. Most of this is from years past, but I wanted to repeat it for this year. Thank you for your very informative review. levels. Elite Direto/Direto X: Look, this is a great little trainer – and the *only* reason it’s not in the above list is purely because of pricing. And I tend to put myself in the camp that if 95% of people need that cassette and only 5% don’t, then the 95% camp kinda wins in terms of ease of access. About the only sound you’re going to hear is your drivetrain and a slight hum. link to support.wahoofitness.com. Just at “high” cadence (95+) and “low” wattage (150+/-) some sporadic vibrations, nothing serious. That’s a $300 investment above the $100 I already spent on the NX cassette. And, you’ll save the 10% there too! The Knights would cut the lead to 51-44 late in the third, but but baskets from Will Shanahan and Dylan Egr made it 55-44 after three. I moved to Israel but often travel back and forth to Europe and Asia. Oh well, at least I have a 1 year warranty. Marek. Both of my KickR Core are 401xxxxxxxx. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? I am looking at possibly picking it up for less than a new KICKR Core. So in the 2020 guide you will write “The new Suito X is wonderful, hit all the right spots, not like the awful and faulty 2019 regular suito, that had issues left and right… ” when the suito is recommended in 2019. Sure the belt might break so should be considered a consumable part, but the rest? Also, I’ve had the Suito since July – so again, adding another day doesn’t change that. Merlin cycles uk has the Bkool Smart Air Trainer for £700 down from £1100. Both of them have been at trade shows or the like. The “roaring” one has serial 401xxxxxxxx. Does anybody have any experience with this solutions and how this could be solved? My gf is looking for a trainer and we are wondering the same Core vs Suito, she’ll probably get the Suito it is 900 at Primeau Velo when she goes to Montreal. If using Apple TV you only have the ability to connect two concurrent Bluetooth connections (plus remote) so trainer might take up one and hr strap the other, in this scenario you will miss cadence if you don’t take it from the trainer, which is why trainer companies have started doing this. would that be a good buy? But it’s also largely a understood manufacturing type situation. GAME RESULTS: So installing the fourth o-ring didn’t improve the situation. Would it be possible to say something about the ‘computer’ related set up required for these apps please ? Just normal tires and normal wheels. Not necessarily the same foe as the Universities and H.S. In any event, I find that the cross-over between people who really like riding rollers and the people who really like the technology aspect tends to be rather small. From a noise/vibration standpoint, which would be the better choice? And tonight you found that line. Will you test our product before release? In any case, we saw new smart trainers (or indoor bikes) from virtually every major brand this year, as well as some smaller brands. Been waiting for this! It just seems like your angry. It’s largely only available in Asia, and while they do actually make some good trainers (see my review on it previously), it’s just hard to include when the majority of the world can’t get it. The ‘worst’ durability type issue we’ve seen is the stickers (chevrons) on the back of the Wahoo KICKR/CORE trainers flying off the flywheel. They even took back a Garmin edge with a screen I scratched in a crash (not why I returned it). I can’t believe NOBODY at Saris tested this trainer with a 1×12 MTB gear system (and I’m sure a bike with a SRAM derailleur will have the same issue). © Studio 123 Wahoo, NE Photography Now we run my KickR 2016 side by side with the Neo 2 and I must say that the silence of the trainer is overrated for me. So here is the most up to date list of products I like and fit the bill for me and my training needs best! I was waiting for this review, thank you for this! Also bought brand new cassette and chain. The advantage of a wheel on trainer is from my point of you that you can easily get the bike in and out. I had to change my price bucketing last year to account for this (again). We were all starting to worry you’d given up on trainers . The CLIMB doesn’t work with non-Wahoo trainers. I got a kickr core about a month ago and put an NX cassette on it. Let’s see what they will do. The no calibration I’m looking forward to as well as the “road feel”. The other companies will probably catch on down the road (like Assioma did with their pedals). Is any trainer better at handling high grades at lower speeds, for example: a 15% grade at a steady 3 mph? It is just for indoor riding, I can hook up to trainer road and be done. Thanks for the answer. So I am on the third Neo 2 unit now and I am really fed up. That’s a good data point, especially with all the returns we see mentioned in the comments here. Is this in the works or should we just use and consider last years guide as accurate for the 2020-2021 indoor season? Thank you as always for the wonderful work that you do and wishing you and “The Girl” a Happy New Year. Kinetic Smart Control Road Machine 2018 Edition – $569 Surely you can go longer. While initially I was skeptical of these, in talking to Wahoo and their specific procedure for handling these, I’m not worried about one of these. Close enough for me. This year I thought that she needs a direct drive upgrade. But that’s OK. One tech said the problem is a bug in the app and an update would be released soon. I have no issues with it from a Zwift or TrainerRoad standpoint, meaning no issues in regular riding, sprints, or doing ERG mode 30×30’s – all of which can be demanding. (i have problem with left leg a bit and am curious how my performance L agains R is doing) For 99% of consumers/apps, there’s no practical difference between the Wahoo/Tacx non-FTMS BLE implementations, since 99% of apps support those older BLE control implementations. Seems to have taken much longer than Tacx initially promised. But honestly, no other trainers have that ‘feature’ and I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone complain about lack of it. Did I mention it also looks like a ship from Star Wars? Since then my girlfriend used the Bushido and was absolutely happy (as I was before). Awesome Ray! Would Garmin’s current ransomware issue give you pause before buying a Tacx trainer? Am I missing something? Before doing setup I just unpacked the core Core and spinned the flywheel manually. Honestly, virtually everything here is super durable – way more than wheel-on trainers of the past. Don’t want to spend lots for a peleton. Regards You can find endless numbers of them online or at your local bike shop – usually around $30. It works, it’s not smooth, but it works. But again, it doesn’t seem like you want a resolution there, or the actual data. if a person trains for more climbing vs riding tempo or flats does should that influence the selection of direct drive Trainer based on watt max? But on the other hand, if you look at the comments on your review page of this trainer, there are still a lot of complaints going on. It would be nice if this were added. Bite the bulit and buy KICKR 18 now or wait for Neo 2T ar new release of KICKR ( Is there a new one to be Hi everyone, Bought my first one from a shop in Germany. All these videos uploaded the last week. While this is a very specific price bracket, it mostly captures the entire mid-range market. With all the sales going on, if you could get a Saris H3 or a Elite Suito for close to the same price which would you go with? In your case having an original KICKR, there is a bigger flywheel though – and while off-hand I can’t say whether or not that’d feel substantial (certainly noticeable, but not massive). I should probably hit up a few local guys I know (KICKR and Neo owners) and see if they’d be willing to trade trainers for a week. Amazon.com never redirect me to correct Amazon Eu store. They rubbed in very slightly different places/ways, so the first few rides I felt it, and then my leg HTFU’d up. Looking to upgrade my Wahoo Kickr Snap wheel-on trainer. Whereas direct-drive trainers mean you remove the back wheel and attach the bike directly to the trainer (via a cassette on the trainer). I might suggest there are better alternatives such as kickr core or even new direto xr. Regardless of speed, resistance will remain the same until otherwise changed. I’ll check the exact Zumo firmware version on Monday when back in the office. Would appreciate any comments on the least expensive quietest trainer. Honestly, cross-talk between trainers is virtually unheard of (and, for technical reasons, it’s also nearly impossible). I’m guessing they’ll fix it before too long. It’s cute (I have a Neo 2) but not essential, like “road feel” which the Tacx also has. The kickr core is the other option. I do have a smart vortex, it is quite noisy, if I wasn’t wearing headphones and wanted to watch a movie, I have to really crank the sound to hear it over the trainer. Upfront cost wise the Flux S will be cheaper as I got some type of a discount, but what’s more important to me is accuracy, longevity of the unit and ease of use (little to no calibration). The process of installing these adapters seems to be different depending on the model. Still, the Wahoo KICKR 2018 and Tacx NEO 2T remain incredibly close – both are silent (save the drivetrain), while the Saris H3 isn’t. Or, you can build your own like I did here in this post. C) Which protocols/standards/types they transmit on (i.e., power, but not cadence, etc…) CycleOps H2 on sale vs. Elite Suito? There’s plenty of information for idiots like me to make a decision and as I get better there’s plenty more. Ray: What is the distance from the wall with your 40″ screens to the back of the trainers in a typical setup. I am thinking transportation-wise, be it in a car with limited space or by train. It pretty much just started shipping really, and there is a new video of a faulty suito each day on youtube, each day, same with the comments here in the suito hands-on article. Not overly fused about getting a climb so spend lots of money on Tacx or go with core? Bluetooth Smart Broadcast: Power, Speed, Cadence. But as we stand here in October 2019, the complaints about those issues for people buying new units have evaporated. That includes a bunch of internal shifts that actually make it a trainer worth buying, though I haven’t tested one yet and don’t have one here to put through its paces. Now the Mantel website has taken the Wahoo Kickr out of stock and informs that it will not be back in stock! First time being unhappy with a Wahoo product. Eeks! I am getting ready to purchase my first trainer. I remember last winter Des of DesFit was at the DCR Cave doing a workout a few days after the Open House, and he curiously picked the then CycleOps H2 trainer as he wanted to give it a whirl as he hadn’t tried it yet. Overall support ended up being good for me . As always, the recommendations are based on my actual testing as well as looking at trends from all the comments I see – not based on cherry picking opinions from corners of the internet to meet a narrative. So, from what I can find on the interwebs… If you’re using ANT+ though and have no issue with the number of connections the standalone cadence sensor should work better based on Ray and Shane’s findings. Or have I missed something. I’m on Windows using ANT+, for what it’s worth, and with the latest firmware (31.058) the response to gradient changes still seems sluggish on the Hammer. I figured I’d only be able to get one via their website. Is there a real issue? But none of the companies had planned to announce things that late anyway. Anyways, I say all this to help level-set where I’m coming from….which I think is a very mediocre experience. I’m really interested in the Neo but given the current situation, I’m wondering if Wahoo might be the way to go. Meaning, someone looking to spend $599 is probably OK spending $699, and someone teetering at $529 might be OK spending that $699 too if the benefits make sense. Cheers If I wasn’t so lazy moving around trainers, I’d probably ride the H3 anytime I rode TrainerRoad. have you tested and compared liquid resistance based trainers vrs smart trainers for 5-10 second sprinting? There you go, your recommended trainer. Assuming equal price, I’d go CORE every time. I train every day on the stock wheels and tires that came with the bike. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated December 18th, 2020 @ 8:05 am, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated April 29th, 2021 @ 8:13 am, Kinetic Smart Control 2018 (Road Machine/Rock & Roll). Thus, you’re left with the Snap (or a discounted Tacx if you can get it). Therefore I use a tablet (5 year old Google Nexus 7) and cast the display onto a 5 year old PC monitor via Google Chromecast. The flats are occurring away from the rim. At least I’m expert in Kickr Core setup and cassette mounting/dismounting now . Oliver. ERG mode is important since my primary indoor trainer use is structured ERG mode based workouts, which I understand the H3 has the advantage. I just don’t have to think about it. Are you able to add any “meat on the bone” to what bike frames won’t fit? Most of the time. Tacx: 2 years Whereas the NEO 2T got substantially increased power from an internals standpoint. I have seen that the Elite Drivo 1 is for sale in the UK at Halfords for £499 which seems an unbelievable price to me for the spec. Same issue here. It’s been a while since I’ve used the Bushido – but I’m pretty sure I’d choose SNAP no matter, mainly for road feel. In motion, they are probably equal-ish (quieter than a fan). It was the first direct-drive smart trainer below $1,000 when it came out, and supported all the apps people wanted. From what I can tell, it’s not possible to buy one and Elite don’t show it on their website? Take for example, the old CompuTrainer, otherwise known as the rock. I am considering a new trainer. And to compliment that, here’s The Girl’s (my wife’s) list. Form-factor the Suito wins because it can fold its legs for storage, though the Flux is a bit beefier in terms of stability. Thanks for the great reply. It was replaced within 3 weeks by Garmin UK, although they did make me pay the shipping cost to get the faulty unit back to them (cost me £40). I use a Gen 1 Elite Drivo and it really struggles to hit the target wattage quickly, making short sprint reps virtually impossible. C) Elite Zumo (same as 2T) FTMS on some models (mainly non-NEO series). It’s a good price, but it’s also a much older trainer. The only benefit of trainer tires is that some tires will slowly shred tire specks over the course of the winter, depending on both the specific tire and the specific trainer. THANK YOU very much for your honest, as always, appraisal. I don’t know what Elite apparently did to you, or why you’re so upset about a trainer you don’t have, or what I apparently did to you, but eventually you cross the line. It reminded me of Apple and their refurbished items a little bit. The same. But my only experience is a couple of minutes of pedaling a prototype at Eurobike. Of course, nobody is saying the Direto-X isn’t accurate. #4 tested yesterday evening. Will that be clever training US only, or EU as well what with MSRP etc in Europe being different. Hi DC, great article, we all truly appreciate Im sure. Would a used 2014 gen be a good investment, let’s say at $450? Costing now down to $1,000 CAD in Canada. Unfortunately at the moment I try to get a KickR Core without an issue. Interesting, I didn’t think they were still making the original Tacx Flux. They can’t compete on brand recognition with Wahoo or Tacx these days, and they can’t compete on silence. Oh, and here’s that post: link to dcrainmaker.com. I think I’ll just go with it then. Here’s a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that I’ve put together and posted. Waiting another 10 days doesn’t change that. I totally agree with the sentiment of this comment. I have a tacx through axle adapter which I think will work on the snap. perhaps because you were lucky and your unit is not broken yet? Never knew the place existed. I do have the feeling my flux 2 reports lower wattage than my vectors…how can we verify or test this? My Saris M2 loses resistance when my W/kg drops below 2.0 on grades over 10%. I’m looking for a direct drive trainer for myself and my wife to share. I wonder how this can happen. Hi Having a KickR 2016 and trying Cores at the moment I agree to Ray: if you are not bothered by the noise just keep it. So you can just swap it out as you see fit. But I think those issues are almost entirely behind us these days for people going out and buying new trainers. I downloaded the update, and everything is now working as intended. As of yesterday, Monday October 28, 2019, the iOS version of the Wahoo Fitness app update was released. What about using it without any sort of subscription based service and still accessing all the features of a “smart trainer”? Further, the physical issues were noted as well – and I think we’re largely past those, and those seemed to be from units shipped back in August that arrived to people early September. Some did, but most didn’t. You can also ship to a store and pick up for free if there’s one in your area. Thus, my bike isn’t either – I don’t cover up my bike. The ride feel is like pedalling through glue though and my old Tacx Flow (wheel on, basic/dumb trainer) feels 100 times better. :-/. It’s not great, but it is $100 cheaper retail than Tacx. What would you recommend between that ans the Elite Suito? Upgrade to new kickr In fact, both the H1 and H2 trainers got that firmware update – but it meant this was more accurate now. I don’t want to buy either the Flux 2 or Suito only to find the bike doesn’t fit. New Kickr Snap 17. If your not bothered too much about sprint accuracy I’d recommend that. Great news! As for not touching the KICKR 2018 trainers that are used off people you don’t know, you’re not realizing the most important reason for that advice: Wahoo requires original proof of purchase for service. I’ve had two Hammer H3 now, both had the same issue, when sprinting they both made a loud grinding/clanking noise. And while tip-overs are extremely rare – they are a problem on lower end trainers ($50-$150) where the base is really small. Yes, I ordered a refurb’ed on purpose. Wahoo Core, maybe ? (Though, I guess we’ve got three days left). I’d like to keep my #1 as it “just” contains a Kickr ’18 board instead of a Core board. What is the best option? Yup, all these trainers are designed for 9/10/11 speed cassettes. It’s pretty cool in a geeky way, albeit without a ton of specific training value. I almost broke my head during this decision. Still, that’s an impressive duration to last! It’s messier for folks like myself in the Netherlands where we tend to do Amazon.de, but sometimes .FR and like yesterday – .co.uk. But for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere you’re probably thinking about spending more and more time indoors on a trainer, and perhaps looking at a new trainer. Mantel feels like a safer bet, when it comes to possible guarantee issues, compared to CRC, pending a possible Brexit. I noticed that the cadence reported by the turbo is hopelessly inaccurate, the Garmin showed 95-100rpm and the turbo was reporting around 75rpm. Reply. It’s still possible to buy new Cycleops Magnus v1 under 400$ on Ebay. Cheers for you and keep up the good work. 160 watts displayed on Zwift will be 160 until suddenly it goes to something like 180, as an example, while still reading 160. The Suito is the lighthest/smallest by far here. Yes think they have stopped making the original Flux. Maybe the problem is related to the difference in hubs. Honestly hard to say. But I appreciate your suggestion. I decided to look into smart trainers. I believe that they are significantly quieter but other than that reason, is there any benefit from such upgrade? Henry. I’m still waiting clarification on that. Here right in the center, in the mountains, I get to ski most years. Funny, someone asked the same up above. 3. Looking for Tacx – high end. Again the problem stayed. Steve, I have the Neo 2T and the unit has a bit of flex to it, which is nice to handle the little bit of sway created during my harder workouts, but yet it’s very solid. Wahoo Football vs Mitchell 2020 105 photos Bishop Neumann Football vs Lincoln Lutheran 37 photos Bishop Neumann Vball vs Aquinas 2020 45 photos Wahoo Boys Basketball vs Aurora 2020 59 photos Wahoo Wrestling Senior Night 202021 54 photos Wahoo Boys Basketball Conference vs … Not a single trainer company has *ever* said that’s an issue (out of saddle sprints). Do I need to have a cadence / speed thingy fitted to the bike for the trainer purposes ? – Until when? I am thinking of a Saris H3, Flux 2.1 or Kickr Core. Maybe kind of vibrancy between trainer and bike drive-train. Well, my first replacement was due to a wrong board was installed, the one of Kickr ’18. Thomas, to my knowledge – smart, direct drive trainers DO know how much power you exert, and they are also able to control the amount of power you exert in ERG mode. Let’s see in the next week’s how this unit is. I’m very interested to buy my first Smart Trainer but I have a problem without respons inside all comments. Only Wahoo say in some brouchure than there products are limited to 250lb, have you more information about limits for other brands? Yes, I want my cake and be able to eat it too. One question I didn’t see discussed in the comments is “How many watts does one need in a Direct drive Trainer?”. Sadly it’s not there Last winter we had a ton of cross talk issues using the Kickr and Kickr Snap, despite all manner of disconnecting and forgetting devices. It probably has close to a thousand rides on it at this point, and it’s never missed a beat. Hey guys, stop doing out of the saddle sprints on the trainer. Thanks for your work! To be fair I weigh 100KG and I was on Alp D’Huez in TDA so loads of resistance. They should match. This might lead to a trainer tire and than to an extra wheel or tire change which destroys the advantage of easy in and out. I wonder if Tacx/Garmin ever comes out with a Neo redesign that allows for disc brake mounting without spacers etc…. I had an Tacx Genius replaced 3 times (because of massive accuracy problems) and the third one was even dead on arrival The amount of comments about these issues is endless. I’m from Europe and Elite trainers are cheeper for me, so maybe I go for them. No, Eurobike was slated for November, and it got cancelled. a bike), or the manuf. Elite Drivo II. Comparable to kickr core? I can’t seem to find details on the Neo – I assume it has ERG mode – and something similar to Level. And, that’s what happened. Wahoo, NE, is where Kenneth Mitchell lives today. France I presume? Even at 75dB – 80dB I personally would not call them unacceptably loud but mediocre. And all others – What would you describe as the minimum length for an optimal Zwift setup with a moderately big screen ? The way you put your information is brilliant. I’m pretty strict in that I don’t recommend things I haven’t used or know a lot about. 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